Banned Interview: Positivity And Negativity

Interviews given to media outlets.

Banned from publication.

Deemed too “controversial” for audience consumption.

Created confusion in how to “couch or market it.”

Transcripts being published here.

Others may be revealed.

 

Interviewer: (I)

Myself: (M)

 

I: Thank you, Kapil. One of the things that astonishes me about your work is the mind-blowing honesty of it. I’m not going to lie. I’ve never seen honesty at this level from anyone, anywhere in the world.

M: (Silence).

I: What do you say to this?

M: You have made an observation. I have nothing to say.

I: Why do you think experts and so forth are not this honest?

M: In order to speak The Truth, you must have first discovered The Truth. In order to discover The Truth, you must have first explored The Truth. In order to explore The Truth, you must have first devoted your life to The Truth.

I: That’s deep.

M: Not really.

I: Why do people not want The Truth?

M: Why hide behind “people?” Do YOU want The Truth?

I: My initial answer would be yes.

M: I am not saying that you did, or that you should have . . . but honestly speaking, did you find Truth in my work?

I: Unequivocally. And I’m not trying to appease you.

M: You said earlier that experts and so forth do not speak honestly.

I: Correct.

M: I suppose that you discovered this after having read their books and listened to their lectures and videos?

I: Yes, but not only that. I’ve interviewed many of the most famous and top experts in the world.

M: And you did not find honesty or Truth in their words?

I: Quite honestly, it was a play for the audience. And more of “prescriptions,” as you say. So, no I did not.

M: After you found my work, and saw Truth within it as you say, did you go back to interviewing the ‘experts?’

I: Yes.

M: So you have stated that you have, for whatever reason, found Truth and honesty in my work unlike anyone else you have ever come across. And you have also stated that the experts did not provide this level of honesty, and gave “prescriptions” as they always do. And after making these two statements, you have stated that after having read honesty and Truth in my work, you returned to interviewing (and likely reading and listening-to) the experts.

I: Yes, I see where you are going with this. But please continue.

M: You will naturally now assume that I am going to tell you that you “should not” have gone back to interviewing these people. Or reading their books. Or listening to their lectures.

I: Yes.

M: There is no need to tell you what to do. There is simply an observation of your behavior. And your behavior shows clearly that prescriptions and lack of honesty and lack of Truth appeals to you at least as much, and quite frankly even more, than exposing yourself to honesty and Truth.

I: Yes.

M: Therefore, I return to my initial question: Do YOU want the Truth?

I: Based upon my behavior, I would have to say that I don’t want it as much as I want the traditional experts and their prescriptions. That I am addicted to the status quo.

M: (Silence).

I: Okay, we are being honest and sincere here, which as painful as it is for me to say it, is basically nowhere to be found with any of my interviews or guests . . . is that the thing that attracted me to your work is also what repelled me from it. Particularly in the beginning, it was too direct, too concentrated. It didn’t give me any relief. And much of it appeared sort of negative. I like to hear positive things.

M: I understand.

I: I suppose, as they say, the Truth hurts.

M: The Truth may hurt, but lies kill.

I: Wow. Never heard it put that way before.

M: (Silence).

I: But people, including myself, want positive messages. We want to feel hopeful and optimistic and pleasurable and happy.

M: Yes.

I: What is wrong with that?

M: Nothing.

I: Should we seek Truth instead, regardless of how heavy and harsh it may be?

M: No.

I: Why not?

M: A person who wants Truth, wants Truth. And there are practically no such humans living in the world today. A person who wants positive messages, hopefulness, and optimism, pleasure, and happiness, wants these things. And these are essentially the only types of humans in the world.

I: Even if it doesn’t work?

M: Yes.

I: Why?

M: Humans don’t care what works. They have been conditioned to chase pick-me-up’s. They have been conditioned to pluck quotes of positivity with flowers and smiling faces pasted on posters and bumper stickers. The spiritualists want to see posters of a person in half lotus with a spiritual quote in the background. The self-helpists want to see a poster with a person jumping in the air, knees bent and smiling in glee. The motivationalists want to see posters of a person with clenched teeth and clenched fist, or an audience raising their arms raw-rawing and whoo-hooing. They don’t care what works. And they certainly don’t care what creates permanence. They have been conditioned to chase images, concepts, notions, prescriptions, and philosophies.

I: But such things just SOUND nice!

M: That is what you they, and dare I say You, want. Things that look and sound nice.

I: But that’s stupid. Me included!

M: Your comment has no relevance.

I: Why not?

M: It is feigned outrage.

I: Please explain.

M: You say that it’s “stupid.” Yet you have essentially given your life to that which is stupid. And after this interview is over, you will on this very afternoon return to all of the “stupidity.” Therefore, either it is not as “stupid” to you as you claim. Or you do not mind being “stupid.”

I: Damn it. There you go again. You blast me to pieces with your honesty.

M: (Silence).

I: So really, how should we change?

M: The chances of you changing are almost zero. This does not mean it cannot happen. But the likelihood is almost zero.

I: Why?

M: The conditioning is too deep. Too enmeshed in your framework and psyche. Humans will never in the future of the human race ever come to see how society’s conditioning destroyed them. It robbed them of all possibility within years of them having been born. The rest of their lives would be a life of lies. Simply going through the motions. And suffering one assault after another. Until death provided the final blow.

I: I don’t know how to respond to that.

M: (Silence).

I: If I was new to your work, these words would instantly come across as negative and harsh and grim and dark.

M: (Silence).

I: I’m not sure my audience is ready for this, to be honest.

M: (Silence).

I: That is really painful for me to say.

M: (Silence).

 

Namaste.